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As I recall, it was pretty much closed in 2015. It was a cool, little known park that I would visit on occasion. I used to live in Woodburn, but worked in Clackamas, often stopping there. I do recall the neighbors complaining all the time about park visitors. And when I worked graveyard shift, I stopped to take some photos at sunrise. There was a railroad "security" pickup(it was unmarked, but I figured it out) that rolled up and started questioning me, he didn't know it was a tripod I was carrying. Lol. When he realized that I wasn't a security risk, he told me the park was also a security risk to the railroad since it is really close to the bypass line that either cargo or Amtrak would have to stop, waiting for another train to pass. They felt it left the passenger cars vulnerable. While traveling to and from work, I often noticed a railroad security person stopped at the park every time there was a train paused on the other track, waiting for another train to go by. I know the homeowners closest to the park would sometimes stink eye you in the park, they used to have signs about parking on "their" driveway. And it is true, the park gate would often be closed for long stretches of time. I asked about it one time around 2013-2014, and was told that park rangers from another park had to service the park, and due to budget restrictions, they did not have enough people to cover it. I was sad to see they closed it permanently, I left that job in 2016, so I don't drive by it that often know. I find it interesting how the youtube algorithm suggested this video, it brought back some fond memories, thanks for posting it.

The reason they never get what they want is because they tax the county, not the city. King County is massive, people aren’t going to vote for something they won’t use. $/pupil in Seattle is a lot lower than people think, the money is 20-30 minutes East/South East of Seattle.

Monorails: Efficient, quiet, cost effective and popular with the general public?! This is AMERICA ! That will never work 🙄🙄🙄

I remember specifically, and I quote; "Part of the reason it was canceled was downtown citizens were worried about an increase in the homeless population clogging the area and congregating around the stops." (Laughing my ass off in 2024).

look at the traffic now lmfao

Holy cow this is so cool

Maybe they should return to the Natives

Some incredible research here. Great video.

I don’t lake theat Santa Fe merged to burilngtoj northern

Being a native Oregonian, I love the history of obscure place around the state. Your video is PBS quality stuff

I dont even think I 84 is that windy. I can easily go 70+ no problem on it, and the tightest of the curves is banked so its not too bad.

Oregon field guide should share your video

It's not a failure. A proposal is very different from the legislation that got proposed and voted on. If you read the legislation than you will understand the scope of the project. It was never to be a 220 mile park. It was an attempt to secure access to the river for recreational purposes, protect its water quality, and set design standards for nearby builds. Considering that many of Oregon's industrial areas in Portland were already built and would be subject to the proposal it was never realistic. The actual legislation was pragmatic and did what it could to protect the river. As it stands, you can have a lot of fun rafting the river with lots of spots to camp at or exit the water. Water quality has improved in the Portland area with infrastructure and decrease in industrial activity. We still have some issues with agricultural runoff of fertilizers in the central and south valley but that is more complicated as the area needs that industry for jobs.

We had chances to do high speed rail in Seattle and W. Washington several times. These should never have been put to voters. Instead we get more stupid, low speed transit.

Last night I watched your video on unbuilt Portland freeways and not aware of this video then, wondered why Harbor Drive wasn't covered in it. But there was no need to, as you covered it very thoroughly here!

Nice

Really, what could be slower or more expensive than "rapid transit."

Thanks Pray to Jesus for guidance

So sad!

Public land is public land. The government doesn’t own anything. This land is still useable and they cannot legally keep you from it.

One former Portland freeway that wasn't mentioned here was Harbor Drive, which exited northbound I-5 just before the Marquam Bridge and went straight into downtown along the waterfront. It was a segment of US 99W, which would continue north crossing the river at the Broadway Bridge and continuing on the east side of the Willamette, eventually reaching the Interstate Bridge. The downtown section was eventually demolished and became an expanded Front Ave., and Waterfront Park was built along the river. One freeway the Portland Metro area could still use is a westside loop of I-205, making it into a beltway around Portland. This would connect Vancouver as well as other Washington residents who commute to the high-tech areas of Beaverton and Hillsboro without having to go through Portland. It would also provide quicker access for them to US 26 for those going out to Seaside. Commuters from the south metro area would benefit as well, cutting down commuting times to Beaverton and Hillsboro.

What is the song in the beginning?

The depressing thing about all of this is that this literally happens to every public transit project in the US and in other places too. Nay sayers, nimbis, secrecy and dishonest planning... But hey, building highways is nice and easy so let's just keep doing that

ChatGPT Oh, and can you believe it? Did they build an amazing downtown with that 11 billion? Did they create a stunning waterfront with that 11 billion? Of course not! That 11 billion dollars vanished into thin air, and surprise, surprise, Seattle didn't get his state of art transit system. Shocking, isn't it? The government must spend money because if they don't, it just disappears anyway. It's not like they'll distribute it among the population or build three alternative transit systems instead. No, that 11 billion dollars that went unspent was pulverized into hundreds of little projects with probably zero oversight. So, I much prefer the government to spend big chunks of money on grand, long-lasting projects rather than nickel-and-diming it on endeavors that make you wonder where the money went. And today, we should ask that burning question: Whatever happened to that 11 billion dollars? I bet no one can answer that.

The only thing close is the Light Rail System together with the Sounder Commuter train. Which have problems including reliability and just being on time.

Mono=One. Rail=Rail. And thus concludes our extensive 6 week training course.

We were robbed.

The monorail is the least of Seattle's problems ... At least Seattle presents a perfect statistical place where long term democrats have ran the show, and as such the results are plain to see ... A cautionary tale indeed ... YIKES

This just in: voters are short-sighted, easily swayed to the negative, and not best equipped to understand city development and transit. What a collection of missed opportunities.

The most frustrating thing I've ever heard of, a monorail in Seattle would be perfect wtf was their problem?

I think I’m going to have a chat with Design Build Operate Maintain on their acronym.

My mom has a picture of me and my cousin behind the face-hole sign at the 57:02 mark, probably from 1971.

Politicians and bureaucrats don't like competition from the citizens with bright ideas.

monorails are underrated, fuck anyone who hates them.

What a shame. Isn't it too bad that the community and visitors can't enjoy the park, because authorities can't or won't monitor it. Why do the bad guys always win?

What a disaster. As a distant external observer, I have the impression that the repeated public votes on every version of this project are the one and only reason for its ignominious and catastrophic collapse. Local democracy doesn't mean giving the electorate the say-so again and again. Meanwhile, Seattle's light rail system, which has likewise had decades to add up to something, remains a pathetic rudimentary mini-network.

I loved that Alweg monorail as a kid. It was like an amusement park ride.

This is why we can't have nice things....

Did Kartrak ever have a corporate logo back in the day? Innovating technologies like this often had a very prominent and flashy branding to go along with their "great idea".

From what I remember before I moved out of Seattle in November 2001, most of the people in my circle of friends were concerned about the opioid epidemic that was robbing us of our friends and colleagues on a daily basis. Oxy and meth, that’s the brand of zombie apocalypse we were sold. I’m certain it will make for a great script someday.

if mono rails were great, they'd be more of them.

HEY PETE, KILL THE LOUD MUSIC.

We all know that the best mass transit concept is the Wedway PeopleMover.

Great info! As a MAX/Trimet rider, I can tell you that there is downfalls of the system but it is much more efficient than when I was having to ride the bus downtown.

Abandoned State Park"?" Apparently the land is now possibly privately owned or leased.

as a frequent rider of Bart, in visitor to Seattle it said that neither of these have ever been fully completed to stay what was originally promised

Seattle "Forward Thrust" lmao, thats such a bad name